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RE: What's on your mind? - MetalRenard - 09-02-2017
Oh I love watching cooking shows and then making a nice home cooked meal for me and my other half.
Jamie Oliver is amazing too, he makes awesome fresh food from his own garden. Check it out!
RE: What's on your mind? - Siletrea - 09-06-2017
I'm very tempted to make a thread all about RGSS scripting
Most importantly it would be a way of gathering information about how the h3ck it works
And then compiling it into a tutorial that's overly visual and that a 6 year old child could learn from
Because over 6 years of trying to learn this stuff has failed me and I'm DETERMINED to learn at LEAST one useful programming language before I DIE!
If I do make this thread then anyone commenting should be aware of some things
1: explaining EVERYTHING in a manner that a 6 year old would be taught
2: giving full explanation for complex terminology not seen in day to day life
3: hopefully contributing to a list of RGSS commands with a definition of what each command does and how one could use it
4: explaining the logic behind the scripting so people can start being creative even while still learning the codes
5: small challenges for amateurs to test their skills throughout the process
6: no linking of previous tutorials as I can guarantee NONE of them are designed for anyone under 17 without a masters degree in computer sciences or robotics to learn
Er... I don't want to come off as rude by creating a whole new thread right away so that's why I'm posting here to see what others think
Frankly I feel BAD for scripters because they're few and far between and always bogged down with request after request to the point of quitting!
If more people learned the RGSS systems then there would be less pain for the advanced scripters
And more creativity in the community
What do you guys think?
RE: What's on your mind? - kyonides - 09-06-2017
You assume they quit because they get overwhelmed with requests from average users... only a few of them are, most scripters just ignore all requests for their own sake. (Just take a look at Hime's VX Ace scripts that include a warning that new feature requests will be ignored.) There are others that actually learned to program in other languages like C or C++ or C# so they find Ruby stuff a bit slow or cumbersome if they can do it directly in any version of C.
Siletrea Wrote:explaining the logic behind the scripting so people can start being creative even while still learning the codes
It's never been that fast, to become creative requires to get a very good understanding of many basic concepts and even care about code execution speed, avoiding bottlenecks and being able to abstract their ideas to a point where not every 6 year old kid can do it because they never have done so, yet. By the way, it also depends a lot on how inclined they actually are to programming...
As a summary, you (pretty much anybody) gotta need to be PATIENT and highly resistant to frustration and strong headaches if you want to make things progress, especially if you pretend to be quite creative. XD
RE: What's on your mind? - Siletrea - 09-06-2017
(09-06-2017, 05:57 PM)kyonides Wrote: You assume they quit because they get overwhelmed with requests from average users... only a few of them are, most scripters just ignore all requests for their own sake. (Just take a look at Hime's VX Ace scripts that include a warning that new feature requests will be ignored.) There are others that actually learned to program in other languages like C or C++ or C# so they find Ruby stuff a bit slow or cumbersome if they can do it directly in any version of C.
Siletrea Wrote:explaining the logic behind the scripting so people can start being creative even while still learning the codes
It's never been that fast, to become creative requires to get a very good understanding of many basic concepts and even care about code execution speed, avoiding bottlenecks and being able to abstract their ideas to a point where not every 6 year old kid can do it because they never have done so, yet. By the way, it also depends a lot on how inclined they actually are to programming...
As a summary, you (pretty much anybody) gotta need to be PATIENT and highly resistant to frustration and strong headaches if you want to make things progress, especially if you pretend to be quite creative. XD
hmm thank you! this actually is quite interesting...still I don't see a problem about disscussing the different aspects of coding...but I do understand where your comming from with this
RE: What's on your mind? - Siletrea - 09-07-2017
OK so the thread I recently made? "RGSS scripting dissections and explinations" has been attracting some wonderful people who've been happily explaining and answering questions! which I'm overly grateful for! but I've run into a realization about myself that not only terrifies me but is also highly embarrasing....thanks to both Kyonides and DerVVulfman I've been given alot of information thats CRUCIAL to being able to program in ANY language not JUST RGSS...Kyonides gave me physical examples of how things work with a snippet of code even! but I couldent understand it...and when I probed to find out the terms so that I could understand I felt compleatly stupid...DerVVulfman answered my odd and somewhat childish questions and thats when the realization hit... I found out for the 1st time that a "star" a * was actually called "asterisk" ...at 20 years old...21 next tuesday...I excitedly told my mother what I had learned and for a breif second she had a blank expression on her face before encouraging me to keep learning as she always does..I asked her is she already knew and she sadly said she learned it quite early on in highschool...thats when the realization hit...I'm autistic and my school decided to pull a really sleazy move by segregating all special needs kids into a side classroom and teaching them at the level of the lowest funtioning kid...who couldent do 2+2 on a daily basis or properly talk...I never really HAD highschool years! when I use odd and somewhat childish/rediculous terms to describe things its because I don't know them as anything else I was never taught that they had an official name or even uses....I fought to get a grade 12 equivalency which ended up with me getting a grade 13 so to speak...the only reason i got through communications 12 was because I always likes reading so I write the way I was used to reading...which miraculously included nouns and verbs even though to this day IDK what they are...so I'm sending this out to everyone on SP as an apology to the scripters who attempt to help me and as a way of generating an understanding of why someone can try diligently to learn somehting for yearsbut never go anywhere because of a lack of understanding the terms...sorry for the word dump guys!...I'm just happy I learned something that everyone else knows but embarrassed that I diddent know it sooner
RE: What's on your mind? - KDC - 09-09-2017
.... All that food thought's got me thinking about food. Welp, time to eat!
RE: What's on your mind? - kyonides - 09-09-2017
It's a weird day indeed! I solved a intrincated mystery of sorts early in the morning and then I had to listen to a lousy excuse on how impossible it was to copy the keys I needed to get for my new neighbors perfectly. He even dare to state that he could not see the millimetrical difference between the original key and its copies no matter how many decades he has made them... Nope, he just told me to leave in peace WITHOUT ANY WORKING KEYS!
Few minutes later I asked another guy to take care of the job and guess what? In no time I got them and visually confirmed they look practically identical! I came back and tested them and YEAH THEY REALLY WORK FINE!
I'm glad I harshly interrupted the first locksmith while he was telling me that moronic story about not working making copies of a copy key! Oh really! Then how do you explain this, you liar?
RE: What's on your mind? - Siletrea - 09-11-2017
I JUST FOUND OUT THAT YOU CAN USE A PC CONTROLLER ON YOUR RPG-XP-GAMES!
I have to go test this with other RPGmaker games now because WOW
MIND BLOWN!
RE: What's on your mind? - kyonides - 09-12-2017
XP, VX and Ace have always included gamepads aka game controller, you only had to ask us about it XD
As a sidenote I would like to tell you that Gosu supports all keyboard keys, game pad buttons and mouse input by default.
RE: What's on your mind? - DerVVulfman - 09-12-2017
Yep. The RPGMaker line supports gamepad too. Some guys making scripts to allow you to use the FULL keyboard (all the keys and not just the default ones) tend to forget about the gamepad and... KILL gamepad control.
Dang, I shoulda remembered that. My Lycan demos are using cybersam's old input script. He killed gamepad control. Next time, I use one of mine. ........wait. Battlesystem keys, by default, aren't gamepad keys anyway. If I do use my own input system, the action keys in Lycan might have to be re-configured.