04-13-2011, 09:51 AM
(04-13-2011, 03:50 AM)buprettyinpink Wrote: I think if the christian's heaven and hell are real.... I'd prefer hell to all that gospel music...Im sorry if you have such a sour opinion of debate.
But conflict is always worth it.The entire universe works by pushing and pulling.
Creating movement stirring up thought, improving flawed arguments.
Science and religion both move, Science is just faster.
Which is why I prefer it.Religion is scared that their wrong, science sorta embraces it.
Personaly I think religion is our infant form and we should leave it behind.As we are superior then we were then.
This debate resonates at the very core of peoples understanding of things,The people we're arguing with are like an opponent in boxing, the ones we're influencing the most are outside the ring sitting in the seats.
That is the very nature of all conflict.If the opponent changes his mind too thats just the consolation prize for being superior in the conflict.
My point stands as no argument is a wasted one.
As for the principles of heaven and hell most people consider those metaphors for moral outcomes. Karma.
Another moral tool.Cept of course ,sense moral isnt a real property, Karma isnt real.Cause and effect are, Karma is not.
Heaven metaphorically embodies what you can expect if you are morally correct.
And hell embodies if your morally contemptible.
The reality is that Karma doesnt factor into the equation.
You can easily tip the scales in your favor no matter what your doing or trying to accomplish.
This is shown Many times when in history people were unable to govern themselves for any one reason.For instance the settling of western america.Or the rush to the new world.WW2 had some devious people never to be cuaght or charged with hideous crimes.
And the latest being the internet. Pirating is its rise here on the internet.And itll take some time before People can govern it properly.International laws would have to change and an assload of redefinitions to copyrights and how much someone can actualy controll something like a simple line of code.
Really the only thing "coming after someone" is probability.As long as someone doesnt like what your doing they will be vigilant to it, and eventualy they will catch you.
It doesnt have to be considered wrong or right in order to do so.
And being Wrong morally doesnt make the equation tip in favor of the ones looking.
you can ecven expiriment with it to see if karma applies.
I do it by walking into wal-mart and taking a single Soda from the vending machine and walk out.Out of the 40 times i went in, they only stopped me twice.And this varries depending on some key factors.Like the greaters themselves and the likeliness they will assume that you didnt check out yet.
I then bought 40 colas and attempted to walk out with it unopened and unbagged.
The fact that I did the right thing didnt chang the varriables. I got stopped twice.
In reality people form opinions of everything from what your dressed like to how you talk.
And regardless of whether you realize it, you form your stereotypes in your head.
Sence I just look like a girl buying or looking at videogames not many people will stop me.
It will happen more often then someone who looks like a mother however.
Peoples opinions of mothers dont include theft .And almost instantly believe anything Reasonable excuse.
as where lets say a boy wearing baggy pants whose slouches will get more attention.
Typicaly Mexicans and blacks who look like normal kids will be stopped the most.
It really doesnt matter what religion says, Much of it is pure speculation and has thousands of holes.
But it is important to combat these when they have the following they do.Christianity is more then 2000 years old.I think its time for it to be challenged More.the inevitable end is that these modern religions will die off.Form new Religions that will also hopefully die off.
But as long as science is alive and well.there will always be a debate.
and where there is debate,there is change.