AI art

[Remi-chan]

To not make a game out of A.I seems to me to be completely missing the point. To consider discussing your art as "admitting to use A.I" as if it were a crime is absurd.

Depending on the source, it very well could be a crime. If not, deeply immoral. I will explain why soon.

Largely what we are discussing here is a commercial entity trying to ban something that might threaten it's profits. This discussion is totally removed from anything to do with games art, technology etc. it's just profit.

I don't know where we ever mentioned anything like that? Are you actually writing this stuff or is this just a copy paste from something?

The other discussion is that of copyright theft and that's a different story, but again not really related to whether one should A.I rather whether one should use A.I that uses copyrighted input. Or use A.I to mimic an individuals style.

Wrong! A.I. art legally speaking cannot be put under copyright, mostly thanks to a ruling by the supreme court. Disney and Hollywood will still try, but they're losing money faster than fanciful and the strikes have only helped. The average A.I. user however, will be held to account.

I won't use A.I. because I have enough confidence in my own writing to not use ChatGPT, I have enough confidence in not only my own, but my artists abilities to not use A.I. art generators, not even legally sound ones. Do i pay my artists? Yes. proudly, too. They earn every dollar.

Likewise, while animating does take a long time, I get so much fulfillment and joy out of it and its process that letting A.I. do anything would feel like robbing myself.

Tilesets are something I have more than enough of, and I'd honestly rather use and make tweaks to DLC I've purchased than go through the work you described. I'm use to that kind of work regularly.

I have a natural aversion to A.I. due to my pride. My pride being that everything I have ever created has been built from the hands of me or my employee's hands directly. And if not, someone real has been paid for resources I would later use.

Allowing a machine to stand in for a person who might prosper and benefit in lieu, even a sad sack of shit like Celianna- is a moral cataclysm of gratification-shattering proportions. I fucking HATE Celianna, but I'd still rather pay for her tilesets than support A.I. because I knwo the worth and work behind it. i know she likely has fucking SLAVED away making those things. Which is more than I can say for you.

I don't think it is fair to say that A.I. art will not negatively effect the art industry and those who work within it. The smaller artists are the most at risk because A.I. removes accountability on you, the A.I. "artist", to be a benefactor.

The discussion of taking money from the mouth of artists is a non argument that is present at the dawn of every new technology and not to be entertained IMO.(outside of the above argument).

You are monstrously wrong and uninformed.

A.I. is an unfeeling machine with no use or appreciation for money. Spending money to use A.I. does not help anyone but its maker, and I do not care to support such people because I would rather support artists who worked for years upon years to hone their craft.

Custom art at all is not something you are entitled to. It is a luxury. I am happy to pay for that luxury, and I would much rather pay an artist than the maker of a career-destroying machine.

And yes, A.I. art has already been on track for destroying careers. Right now there are workers strikes happening in Hollywood due to criminally extortionist behaviors committed by the fatcats of companies like Disney who wish to pay less and make more.

People are striking not because of the idiotic assumption A.I. andies are making that 'they're just making a scene because they're scared A.I. art will outshine them'.

These artists and creatives are sacrificing their paychecks and potentially their entire careers to try and inform the fatcats that this is not okay. That this shit is absolutely not on. The fatcats would like to save money on animation by paying them a pittance and letting A.I. fill in for them, the result would be a horrible amalgamation of shit art and workers rights violations. Both the films we enjoy and the artists who would usually have passion for making them would fall to ruin.

Using A.I. to stand in as a replacement for real people's work is a genuinely horrifying idea and i truly hope you do not support that.

Unfortunately, you yourself have admitted to propagating the same problem.

The attitudes of A.I. Andies and their general entitlement to 'free art' is what sickens me. This attitude then leaks down to others and so this bizarre consensus forms that genuine artists charge too much when A.I. can do as they do for free. it is entitled and only possible due to the programs you have found fit to exploit.

The difference is, A.I in most of its models, even the presently dirt free ones, have learned and been taught on stolen art. A.I. is in its very essence as the image generation software, deeply immoral.

To support it is to support plagiarism. To use it in lieu of something an actual person has produced is robbery. To endorse it is insanity.

I know it feels very nice to not have to ask artists for help while you trample upon the bones of the people you claim you aren't hurting, but the reality is you are hurting artists by using A.I. image generation. Those who came before, and those who are here now.

You happily admitted:

I've also generated hundreds of tilesets. I then had to put each into photoshop made grids and picked the individual tiles that I could use. It was/is extremely time consuming but increased my available tilesets by about 400% to date.

You aren't special or a hard worker for doing something I have to do commonlyy, only at least the art I'm formatting put food on someone's plate.

It should be a moment of pride to pay for a custom piece of art hand drawn by someone else. You are not entitled to that, you only think you are because A.I. has allowed you to gain this primitive and lunatic ideal that art is not a luxury when it always has been.

The discussion of taking money from the mouth of artists is a non argument that is present at the dawn of every new technology and not to be entertained IMO.(outside of the above argument).

Photography did not steal from artists because photography still requires talent and work. I have seen photographs in exhibitions and can tell when there was effort put into them and not, and the ones with genuine effort and planning are what sells.

A.I. art is only effort in regards to formatting such as you mentioned. In other words, it is not.

Oh I'm sure it feels rough spending 8 hours to organize a tileset you grafted from the stolen years upon years of self-improvement and suffering to get better that all actually genuine artists went through just so you could get away with not paying for something that before A.I. you would have had to pay for or use open source materials.

Heaven forbid you grow your own talents like they did and then you might be able to understand just what a monstrous machine of corporate malevolence you are aiding.

A.I. in itself is not the problem. it has existed so long as computers have.

Image generation is not a problem so long as it does not steal from the artists who did not consent to have their work used.

The techies who made the A.I. generation programs would not have ground to stand on if not for the real problem.

People such as yourself. people who feel entitled to custom art that you take giddily while happily trampling upon the careers and potential prosperity of the artists who are the reason you have that toy to begin with.

I sincerely recommend you think about this a bit more than from your own limited experience and try to consider a bit more heavily how it effects the people who actually put in years and years of hard work only for you to push them aside and rely on a program that use their work without consent to create a machine that you now endorse.

Edit: I did some digging and discovered the PFP you're using is a Cryptobot NFT.

Every entry for that avatar when searched by image leads to that crypto beyond the few threads in the two forums.

I have a feeling I'm about to regret inviting you over here.

I really hope I'm wrong about you but at this point I'm not holding my breath.

You made the same ridiculous and flawed justifications for A.I. art that they all do. The same conceited claim that formatting things for a few hours means you worked hard.