Sodomite Suppression Act

[Samven]

Guy who had to study the Bible as part of his degree to the rescuuuuueee!

I'm always extremely sceptical of people using religion to justify homophobia, primarily because I don't think it stacks up. Places like the Philippines have a very large and fairly pro-LGBT society, yet a huge number of its people (including LGBTs) consider themselves Christian/Catholic. Similarly, somewhere like Japan is largely secular and homosexuality isn't strictly-speaking illegal but the nation as a whole lacking a lot in the LGBT rights department. So, whenever I hear someone say, "I am opposed to homosexuality because God says it's wrong", it comes off sounding like "I am opposed to homosexuality - and I am going to use God as an excuse". Because I have difficulty buying that someone who refused to keep talking about love and acceptance even as he was being nailed to a cross would want anyone to victimise anyone.

What people forget is that homosexuality as we understand it is a modern concept. Homosexual attractions are as old as time but the idea of differing sexuality orientations is a relatively new idea in the grand scheme of things and, when you look at what the Bible is actually talking about, it's clear that a lot of its supposedly anti-gay narratives just don't apply to what we would call homosexual couples in the 21st Century. For example? The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is often cited as a narrative where God destroys a city for the homosexual acts of its people. The problem is that this homosexuality never actually stated to be the sin of Sodom. Ironic, isn't it, given the definition of "Sodomy"? This comes from a misunderstanding of the text. In the story, the people of Sodom try to rape two angels who come to the village and the village was hit with some fires of divine retribution. Now, people have interpreted this to mean that the sin was homosexuality itself but even a casual look at human history proves that this can't be true. You can't have an entirely gay city, it's just not possible. How do you keep a city going for years and years if no one wants to keep the populace going by mating with the opposite sex? It makes no sense. No, the people of Sodom aren't trying to rape the angels because they're gay - they're doing it to victimise the outsiders, like people have done for years. You know the old Hollywood stereotype of the depraved redneck who says, "We don't take kindly to yer type around these parts - now squeal like a piggy"? Well, think of the Sodomites as an ancient version of that. They're not committing rape because they're gay, they're doing it to pick on the strangers who have come to town.

There's a few more examples I could list but I'll leave you with that one for now.

This proposed law is a dumb idea written by someone who apparently thinks Jesus was a gun totin' ultraconservative psychopath as opposed to the brown-skinned Middle Eastern Jew who went around giving away free health care and telling people to love and care for each other (and that marriage between a man and a woman is not something everyone can accept).

[Bounty Hunter Lani]

"Homophobic" is a word that is thrown around so lightly these days. A phobia is an anxiety over something, an actual fear, not someone who has religious beliefs, and believes something should be a certain way.
I wish people would stop using that word.

Anyway, I'm gonna make a new thread tomorrow that's actually game-related, I'm getting tired of these random things that can be misinterpreted, and start arguments all over the place.

[Ahzoh]

The bible says in multiple places that God doesn't like homosexuality, where did you get your information that it says otherwise?

Honestly, if someone is trying to make it legal to shoot gays in the streets, then I'm sure even Christians wouldn't like the idea. Christians don't hate gays like the media and demagogues love to say on the internet. They hate the sin of homosexuality, and the fact they want to marry, which is a holy institution made by God for his Children. That is why Christians are so against gay marriage. It has nothing to do with HATE.
Also, there have been studies that show that about 5% of all gay couples who get married or want to get married stay with one partner. It was an anonymous study of homosexuals and bisexuals, so they wouldn't get shunned in their communities, and I can't seem to find the source right now, but from all of the attempts at threesome marriages in gay marriage states, it actually doesn't surprise me very much.

Oh yeah, and a similar study also said that when a child grows up with two fathers or two mothers, the child will "Fall in love" with someone of the same gender at a young age, because they're constantly told by their parents it's okay-- "Indoctination", if you will.
If you're raised one way, you believe it's okay, until you're told otherwise by someone else, and since most homosexuals will avoid letting their kids go to church to hear the other side, the gay community grows because of the adoptions. That was the justification that some gave for why same-sex couples (Or triplets) shouldn't be allowed to adopt kids.

And honestly, I don't think the problems in California come from God's Wrath, though God did say he wouldn't do a widespread destruction like Sodom and Gomorra or the Great Flood anymore, so a drought COULD be his way of giving a warning, if anything. Also, the "Be fruitful and multiply" is used out of context by many as an excuse for sin, especially by Mormons with multiple wives, which is generally seen as sin by most in the Christian community.

And no, no "New new testament", because it would be written by ideologues like you who want to change what God says, just because they don't like what the other texts say. This has already been done by two guys who didn't like what it said, so they "Re-translated" the bible. (They actually just took a magic marker on the KJV and took out what they didn't like, and changed others to mean what they wanted, such as God not liking divorce, etc.) This "Re-Translation" has been used by many new versions of the bible, like the NIV, ESV, etc.
Many churches use these versions, but people who want the "real" translation go to the KJV, despite the efforts in recent days to attempt to discredit the KJV with lies and slander.

Not sure what you mean by "Betterment of society", and the "Path of enlightenment", since usually when people say that, they mean "STOP BEING A CHRISTIAN AND FOLLOWING THE BIBLE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOUR WORLD ANYMORE!" and I hope you don't mean that Christians should change what the bible says because you want them to think like you...

Anyway, to finish this off, I gotta say, the one who proposed the killing of homosexuals on the streets sounds like a psychopath using the bible out of context, like many do. Do you know how many times the "Judge not, lest ye be judge" thing is misused and misquoted? People ACTUALLY think you're not supposed to know how a person is, and you're not supposed to hang out with certain people. Quite the opposite, actually!

Oh! And separation of church and state was made to keep the government out of the church, not the church out of the government. That also has been perverted to mean the founders didn't want religion anywhere but church, but they really wanted the government to stay out of the church, if you read the letter it was proposed in
(Obama, and some others in his administration, as well as Nancy Pelosi have said to preach on the pulpit to support democrats, which should be illegal under the separations, but they always get away with anything, apparently.)

In Conclusion:

The guy who proposed the law to kill homosexuals is a psychopath, and many bible verses are misquoted or taken out of context to mean what a person wants it to mean, and not what it ACTUALLY means. Reading the verses around one verse could find the true meaning of it. Homosexuals have a hard time, but Christians have had it just as bad all throughout history. Jesus was crucified because he was Jesus (And because God needed it to happen. The "Pure Lamb" and such.), his followers were killed, stoned, and persecuted because they were his followers, not because they did anything to deserve it, and Christians have been persecuted all over the world, even to this day. They are demagogued as bigots, haters, etc. because they don't believe the institution of marriage as set up by God does not allow the marriage of two homosexual men or women, or because they don't believe that they should adopt children, since most think that they'll be indoctrinated to hate God.
There are Christians being FORCED to do services for homosexuals, because the government calls them bigots for not wanting to participate in something they do not wish to participate in. (The cake makers, some churches, etc. are all being forced to do that)

People all over the world say they wish they could go back to the days of old, where Christians were fed to lions, and others (Even a former best friend of mine) say that all religions should be culled from the planet, which is just returning the psychopathy that they claim Christianity has.

The law shouldn't pass, however I don't think the guy could get charged with hate speech, either. Freedom of speech extends to some bad people, unfortunately... but that's why America is grand. You can speak out against ANYTHING, without being arrested for it. (Though some take it too far, and overstep boundaries people set for protesting, etc.)
You get literally shot in other places for speaking out, or slain and imprisoned for religious beliefs.
I love this country, and you can take that to the bank!
...THE BLOOD BANK
(What? I watched Hard to Kill last night )

Also, I think this topic gets right back onto what they other moderators didn't want, which is an argument over religion that may offend people. Is it really okay to post this?

I'm sorry if Ibsound condescending, I just don't have patience for these things.
I'm sorry Lani, but I cannot ignore the ignorance in this post.
First of all, do you even know how homosexuality arises? It is caused by a factor called "epigenetics", go research that.
Secondly, where is this so called study that suggests that children of homosexual couples are most likely to be homosexual too. You are implying that being gay is somehow a choice, which is false. Please, Lani, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

And no, Lani, this has everything to do with HATE. You see, Lani, when you deny and exclude others the right to do what you are able to do, that is unfair. That is infringement of one's rights. Why do people do this? Because they don't understand, and lack of understanding leads to fear, which leads to hate.

Marriage is a Christian thing? False, go research the history of marriage. It's purpose is solely for legal and inheritance rights. This bullshit about sanctity is not the truth, because marriage has existed in many forms in many different cultures long before Christianity was a thing. Please Lani, do the research.

Lastly, don't pretend like you are being persecuted and that you are sensitive; you are grown woman and you should suck it up and deal with truths you don't like to hear. Being "offended" means nothing. I have the right to criticize you and other's ideas. That's how free speech works.

[Bounty Hunter Lani]

Go to bed, Ahzoh. Not in the mood for you right now.

[Ahzoh]

"Homophobic" is a word that is thrown around so lightly these days. A phobia is an anxiety over something, an actual fear, not someone who has religious beliefs, and believes something should be a certain way.
I wish people would stop using that word.

Anyway, I'm gonna make a new thread tomorrow that's actually game-related, I'm getting tired of these random things that can be misinterpreted, and start arguments all over the place.

Actually that's exactly why there are homophobic christians. They fear that gay people will change the established principles of marriage between one man and one woman? And fear leads to hatred, a known psychological fact.
Really, if that weren't the case, then there wouldn't be homophobia.
You need to open your eyes and see the cause of things.

[Bounty Hunter Lani]

Ahzoh, I really wish you'd stop being so bigoted for once. I REALLY wish you would... You create such a hostile environment where nobody can flourish unless they convert to your insanity, and I'm sick of it.

I'm gonna start my thread now, hopefully this one gets closed so I don't have to hear more of you.

[Ahzoh]

Ahzoh, I really wish you'd stop being so bigoted for once. I REALLY wish you would... You create such a hostile environment where nobody can flourish unless they convert to your insanity, and I'm sick of it.

I'm gonna start my thread now, hopefully this one gets closed so I don't have to hear more of you.

Bigoted eh? Your using the word wrong since you're the one who makes such ignorant assumptions like that children are "indoctrinated" into homosexuality by their two moms or dads. By the way, still looking for that article from you.
What's next? You gonna compare homosexuality to pedophilia or bestiality?
You keep parroting the arguments that other people have done.

I can respect your Christianity, but not THIS.

[MetalRenard]

It's 6am, I'm getting ready to go to work and I don't have time to reply to this properly right now but I've closed the thread.
If another moderator/admin wishes to step up to cool this off then please do.

[MetalRenard]

I don't know what to do any more, Cassy. You raise 'em, let 'em out into the world and this is where it leads 'em...

[DerVVulfman]

Closed, this thread will remain.

However, I wish to point out to the unaware that this thread was named after an actual initiative some nutjob proposed in California that called upon the wanton murder of anyone who wasn't heterosexual. The proposition is clearly illegal and is apparently forcing California to reconsider the manner in which propositions can be entered into the legal voting ballot system.

http://www.npr.org/2015/03/25/395355132/...o-question


Again, this thread is to remain closed.